Books vs. Movies
In this podcast we set out to answer the age old question: is the book really always better than the movie?
Books vs. Movies
Ep. 32 Watchmen by Alan Moore vs. Watchmen (2009)
.What if your favorite graphic novel could be transformed into a thrilling movie experience, but with a twist? Join us on Books vs. Movies as we navigate the complex world of Alan Moore's "Watchmen." I'm Lluvia, your host and a devoted book lover, joined by my husband Orlando, who brings his seasoned perspective as a graphic novel enthusiast. Together, we unravel the challenges of adapting such a richly detailed graphic novel into a film, diving deep into Zack Snyder's ambitious yet controversial adaptation that walks a tightrope between visual fidelity and narrative depth.
As we dissect the portrayals of key characters like Laurie and Rorschach, the conversation gets lively! We explore Laurie's missing humor and the dynamics with Night Owl that the film just couldn't capture, matched with Orlando’s insights on Rorschach's movie portrayal lacking the complexity we see in the novel. We don’t shy away from discussing the portrayal of LGBTQ characters either, weighing the film's smoother handling against the graphic novel's more problematic language. Our chat takes a reflective turn as we ponder how certain unadapted elements, like Laurie's profound revelation about her father, could have bolstered the film's narrative depth and offered a richer viewer experience.
Finally, we confront the unsettling relationships and character dynamics that both enrich and challenge "Watchmen" in all its forms. From Dr. Manhattan and Laurie's contentious age gap to the disturbing elements surrounding the Comedian and Silk Spectre, we tackle these issues head-on. Despite these discomforts, Orlando and I agree that the graphic novel reigns supreme, thanks to its intricate details and deeper character motivations. Don't miss our exciting wrap-up as we crown the graphic novel the winner and invite you to tune in next time for a discussion on another beloved story, "It Ends With Us.
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Welcome to Books vs Movies, the podcast where I set out to answer the age-old question is the book really always better than the movie? I'm Yuvia, an actress and book lover based out of New York City, and I'm excited because I have a special guest here with me today, and it is my husband, orlando. Hello, my husband, orlando. Hello, you heard me talk about him on the podcast. I'm so sorry because I never actually asked you for permission to talk about you on the podcast and I just, I just felt comfortable enough to do it and I started calling you out, and everyone knows your bad habits.
Speaker 2:Everyone knows my beef. Yeah, it's okay, I don't mind.
Speaker 1:Okay, I mean, if you wouldn't, if you were like someone that minded, I feel like I definitely wouldn't have said anything.
Speaker 2:No, I don't mind at all, that's fine.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, we are here because today we're going to talk about watchmen by alan moore and the film adaptation directed by zach snyder. So, yeah, I know that there's, we know that there's an hbo tv show adaptation which we've seen, but we're not going to talk about that when we're going to talk about the actual film that came out in 2007, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sounds about right.
Speaker 1:All right, well, really quickly, before we get started. You also know him. I've talked about him all the time. You've heard his jingles in the background, so if you are watching the actual video here's, here's our little guy there's a cute little guy a cute little voldy this is voldy.
Speaker 1:So now you know what he looks like. He's an old man and he's grumpy, because I woke him up from his nap. So we're going back to sleep, so we go back to sleep. So, yeah, let's, let's go ahead and get started. So the reason I wanted to talk to you about watchmen is because, for whatever reason, you know that I don't do well with graphic novels. I don't know what it is about them, but it's hard for me to understand them.
Speaker 2:Yes, you have mentioned that to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can read comics just fine. I can read manga, but like graphic novels, I don't know what it is about them that I struggle.
Speaker 2:Meanwhile. That's what I love reading.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you love superheroes. You love graphic novels. This is like you're a nerd when it comes to this stuff, so I wanted to To bring you on, because you'll probably have some more nuanced takes that I didn't even realize. Alright, so why don't you tell People what Watchmen is about?
Speaker 2:Well, what Watchmen is about? Well, what Watchmen is about is this is basically like an alternative historical timeline. In this timeline, nixon gets reelected and he somehow breaks the rules and becomes reelected. I don't know how many times in this world we have, you know, superheroes. From my understanding, this was meant to be like the anti-superhero kind of graphic novel, so you have superheroes that are more of your average person, uh, and a lot of different things uh tend to happen, but taking place in the 80s. One of the big, pivotal elements that are strong in the comic book is the cold war and just the overall fear that different countries the? U, us, russia had with the Cold War. Who was going to drop what bomb, who was going to destroy what country? And, along the way, there's superheroes involved in this storyline, which feels like the premise of both the comic book and the movie. Yeah, I don't know. Do you think I missed something?
Speaker 1:No, I think you're good. Okay, so, and you'd say the film is pretty much that too, like it's not adaptation wise, it doesn't fear too far from that.
Speaker 2:Adaptation wise, it is the same similar storyline. Um, I will get into. I guess the difference is better, because I will say I am very grateful that you put me up to this task. Uh, because reading this now at age 36, I saw so many things differently than when I read it back in. I must have read it like in 2008, 2009, if the movie came out in 2007. Clearly there's things I missed and I'm glad I reread it because I caught more things. But anyway, the basic storyline, sure it's the same.
Speaker 1:Okay cool, the basic storyline, sure it's the same. Okay, cool. So, and as always, I I try my best to do these reviews without spoilers, and then I quickly discovered, as I was doing my first episode, it's kind of hard to do these without spoilers. So, yeah, there will be spoilers. In case you're not familiar with the story of watchmen, um, but I don't even know where to start. I guess you you're more into the fandom. I know that this was this is one of the most hated graphic novel adaptations to date. I don't know if it's the most hated, but it's definitely one of the most hated. A lot of fanboys hate this movie, so I'm just wondering if you have any ideas as to why that is.
Speaker 2:I now do. I now do because I remember when I I watched the movie first, then read the graphic novel and obviously my maturity level Was significantly different and to me I was like why are people so upset about this? Like it is Very much the same. One of the things Zack Snyder Loves to do is recreating Images from the comic into a film, and he has so many of them. But now that I've reread it with a, I guess, higher maturity and understanding, there's so much missing in the sense of I'm going to call it the beef of the story. It's missing the soul of the characters. It is missing the juiciness of the story.
Speaker 2:Basically, this graphic novel is supposed to be like this play on the superheroes, kind of making fun of the superheroes while making a social commentary as to what is going on in the world at that time period, um, which, even though it is an alternative timeline, it still has some very similar things that happened in our timeline. And then the movie is basically superheroes, which is the anti of what the story was going for. It was trying to be the anti-superhero storyline and they somehow took that storyline and made it a superhero action flick. So I think that is the biggest upset. I know the ending again, I'll try to keep it spoiler free as much as I can, but I know the ending was the biggest one for people which to me that's a very minor uh upset compared to everything else. There's just some so many little details that you can put in a thicker graphic novel that in a movie you can skip, although I will say sack snyder.
Speaker 2:I don't remember the runtime of the movie, but sack snyder likes making his movies long yeah so with how long that movie was, I think there was space for a lot of the little juicy elements that he left out, but what I feel like it's missing overall is the soul of the comic, of the graphic novel okay.
Speaker 1:So, um, because I remember we talked about this, because this is one of the graphic novels and films that you made me watch, or not made me, but yeah, I'm just gonna say it like that, when we first started dating, when we were like introducing each other to the like, the films we liked and all that stuff like that, that was one of the first things you made me watch when we started dating, and I remember you clearly saying like you didn't understand all the hate it got. So it, I'm guessing your opinion has changed.
Speaker 2:It has changed significantly since rereading it and understanding it a little better, I guess.
Speaker 1:Do you hate the movie? Now, I don't hate it.
Speaker 2:I think I'm still going to watch it and be entertained. I think had I understood the graphic novel first and then watched the movie, then I'd probably hate the movie. Um, at the end of the day, the movie is kind of nostalgic for me. Just because it was fun, okay, and at the time I feel like the movie was a big deal, because what do we have? We had like x-men, we had fantastic four, the spider-man movies. This was a first time they took superheroes in a dark way, at least in a mainstream media kind of way. It still has that nostalgia factor for it.
Speaker 1:No, that's fine and it's. I just want to say you were like I'm not gonna. I'm gonna try to not spoil the ending. And I'm going to spoil the ending, okay, no, because I could have sworn that the ending of the film was was this the same as it was in the graphic novel? And it wasn't, because when we watched this film together in preparation for this episode, it ended and I was like wait a minute, where's the giant squid? Did I make that up? And then, like I was flipping through the graphic novel and I went to the last chapter, but the, the and I I couldn't find the squid anywhere in that last chapter. So I was like did I make up this giant squid up? Was this, was this giant squid in a completely different comic book? And then the giant squid appeared, not in the last chapter of the graphic novel. So I was like, okay, I am right, there is a giant squid involved. Why do you think they didn't you bring in the giant squid?
Speaker 2:I think it. I think it was the, because I think Zack Snyder does this a lot with his movies. I think he tries to ground his characters a little too much in reality. Oh, okay, and I think, and mind you, I don't know if this is the actual thought process, but I'm trying to think in the Zack Snyder mindset. It was like, well, instead of an interdimensional squid, we just do like an explosion of some sort. That, or creating the interdimensional squid took out so many characters and so many storylines from the graphic novel. So I don't know if, in order to trim, they trimmed out that whole entire element. That kind of reduces a bit of the chapters in the book. So either one of those two things. It just seems that, but I have a feeling it's more to make it more grounded and more real.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, cause I was very disappointed that the squid wasn't in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Cause and I loved that the TV series starts with the squid wasn't in there. Yeah, because, and and I loved that the tv series starts with the squid yeah, yeah, you see all the squid marks and all the leftover nasty squids yeah, so, yeah, so uh.
Speaker 1:I I know orlando was trying not to ruin it for you, but I love that giant squid so I needed to talk about that giant squid. So I have mentioned this before and I've said that I hate the whole book within a book trope, like for me, it feels like it slows down the pacing. That being said, I didn't mind the book within a book that was at the end of each chapter and I think that was mainly because before it was made into the one big graphic novel, that would have just been the ending of the singular comic book. So it's not really ruining the storyline. So the one that did bug me was the pirate one okay, that one was like why are we talking about?
Speaker 1:what is the? What is the point of these pirates? So what is the point of those freaking pirates?
Speaker 2:so we are on the same boat on this. Um, because I love the books within the books, because they bookended the chapter, and I feel like a lot of them gave us more insight into the characters, like my favorite one was I'm going to pull up my notes I was the under the hood storyline, because it gives us an overall idea of how these characters kind of got started. So I love those little ones.
Speaker 2:I am still confused by the pirate. The only thing I know about the pirate storyline is that the creator of the comic, of the pirate comic, is one of the artists that is kidnapped by quote, unquote, kidnapped, basically taken away by Ozymandias into this island of artists and scientists, and he is the one that is pivotal into making this giant squid. But I don't know how his storyline ties into it, like other than him being the creator of the pirate comic, and we know throughout the graphic novel that he disappears. Nobody knows where he's gone. He disappears and you know the kid that's reading at the newsstand. He even makes a note. He's like I hate this because it ends and nobody knows what's going to happen next. Because it ends. So, other than being created by the guy who creates the squid. I don't know what the point of the comic is and there was some moments in which I kept rereading it Trying to figure out. So maybe you have a smarter reading fan that can let us know what exactly the pirate comic means, because I was also at a loss.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, see, but I'm glad I still asked you that, even though you didn't know the answer, because I, I know we were introduced to the like. We didn't know where he was. And then, like midway through the comics, we get, uh, through the graphic novel, we get introduced to him and then another spoiler alert he ends up dying. Um, but I did not realize that he was there to create the giant squid, like. I thought that it was just, he was just introduced and then we killed him off and it was like, okay, well, bye, random hi yeah, um adrian or azamand, is in one of the in his giant speech where he's revealing everything he did.
Speaker 2:He talks about how he gathered together an artist, a scientist. He lists them and one of those is the comic book creator and his partner, that's the artist that we see scenes of them together, but again, I still don't fully understand what their scenes together even means.
Speaker 1:Okay, no, that's cool. I'm still glad I asked you that. So I want to know what's the change between the graphic novel and the adaptation that you dislike the most.
Speaker 2:Where to begin, which one to choose.
Speaker 1:You can name them all I don't know, or you can name more than one, that's fine.
Speaker 2:I'm going to start off with the insight into the characters and more of the characters' personalities. The two ones that stick out to me is Silk, spectre, the Lori one, and rorschach. Now lori in the movie is you get the idea that she's the daughter that didn't really want to be the superhero, um, but ends up doing it. And she's in this skin-tight outfit and it's sexy. She's the hot one that's falling for Night Owl, which is another thing that I wish had more insight. But in the comic book she is so funny, she is hilarious, she has so many funny moments, and especially her and Night Owl. Their relationship is hilarious and you can see how they work together. And also, I guess one thing I did like about the movie is the Spectre's costume. It is significantly skimpier in the comic book, but I think that was a commentary on female superheroes in comics, um, anyway, uh, so, yeah, I felt like it was me. Her personality was definitely missing. Uh, her relationship with night owl in the movie is very much um, I left john here. I left John here I am, let's have sex. While, as in the comic book, it's weeks. She still goes back to John. The whole thing happens where he goes back to Mars. Then she's lost that super. She doesn't know where to go. Then Dan takes her in and it's still a matter of time before the relationship forms. Like in the movie it makes it seem like she left Dr Manhattan to be with Night Owl, while in the comic book the relationship formed because Night Owl was the only one whose identity she knows and they live together and that's when the relationship started forming. But they are just so funny together. They have so many hilarious scenes that are completely like. I thought those and I feel like I even made the comment this last time we watched it but I was like she just doesn't have the personality, like she's just I'm the hot superhero.
Speaker 2:And reading the, the graphic novel, it bothered me just how much of that was missing. In the case of Rorschach I felt like how do I describe it? In the movie they made it. They made him like every straight man's dream, like everybody who saw the scene where he ends up killing the, the pedophile. Everyone was like, yeah, I would do the same, bro. Like that was the attitude of everybody watching rorschach. And everybody who loves rorschach loves them because like, yeah, I feel like if I was pushed over the edge, I would do the same. Well, as in the comic book, you don't end up like you should not end up liking him. You should not end up agreeing with him, like you kind of understand why he becomes the way he is.
Speaker 2:But he is insane like he is, and one for, for example, a character that I wish had more depth in the movie was his psychiatrist or psychotherapist, because he ends up leading his psychotherapist I'm not going to say insane, but in a very depressed state because of the mind games that Rorschach plays with him, games that Rorschach plays with him. But there's also some fun moments, for example in the movie when you see Rorschach with the sign, you already know it's him, especially because we know which actor plays him In the comic book. Him without a mask is a completely different persona than with the mask. He is silly, he's dumb, he's very quirky. And when the mask comes on, silly, he's dumb, he's very quirky, and when the mask comes on, he's just vicious. So I wish a lot of those distinctions were more in the movie rather than again they just became superheroes instead of giving them the death that they had yeah um, and the other one change that really bothered me is the lack of humans.
Speaker 2:At first the humans in the graphic novel may seem very unnecessary because you see their storylines happening and you don't quite understand. But when they all come together in that moment in New York, right before the squid is gonna is gonna bait up here, it kind of gets to you because as the readers we are the humans and we followed all of these characters storylines from the beginning of the graphic novel. Now we're seeing them all together and they're all gonna die because they're at the epicenter of this attack. So in the movie we see them. We see the newspaper guy and the teenager get wiped out, but we didn't care for them. We were expected to just believe oh, humans got killed. Now we're sad.
Speaker 2:Well, as in the graphic novel, we followed their story all the way through and saw them die and that was a little bit more impactful. And there's that on the next chapter. There's those pages in which is just imagery of New York with everybody dead and you see those characters and it sucks, it really hurts. So I wish that element was some way put into the movie yeah, um with me.
Speaker 1:I agree with that one. Um. I remember the in the in the graphic novel, when the, the comic or newspaper stand owner and the teenager that's reading the pirate novel, like, the final image we get of them is like them running into each other's arms, yes, like right before the explosion happens. Um, I thought that was really impactful and that, really, that really stuck with me. So I, I agree with that. I I wish that we had kept that um, and then the other change that I I kind of wish they had kept it as it was in the in the graphic novel. I kind of liked that. Um laurie finds out from dr man Manhattan who her father is, as opposed to her mother telling her yeah, so yeah, but were there any changes that you actually liked?
Speaker 2:That I actually liked from the movie yeah, that.
Speaker 2:I actually liked from the movie trying to think of some. The handling of the LGBTQ characters is a lot smoother in the movie and this isn't iffy one, because at the same time I do like that. The graphic novel included them and made them a storyline, but it was clearly written by somebody who either didn't agree there's a lot of homophobic language in a way that doesn't feel warranted, because if it was making a commentary on it that would be one thing, but it doesn't. Dr Manhattan wearing his little Speedo is. He gets so many homophobic remarks about it, which, thankfully, I feel like the movie had the characters but didn't make them. What do I want to say? Didn't make a commentary on them, they just existed.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:If that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to think if there was anything else. I truly love that he recreated some of the scenes. Like seeing some of the little panels and seeing them in the movie it's like, well, that's cool. I just wish he had followed through with yeah everything else with.
Speaker 1:That being said, we we do need to talk about what is considered as well one of the worst sex on film. That one, yeah, I mean it's just so. It's just so cheesy. It's like Silk Spectre and Night Owl start going at it and then Hallelujah starts playing. That's so. It's like okay. And then this does happen in the graphic novel, but it's not as cheesy or awkward, but like as they climax they press the button and the fire releases at the same time that they climax.
Speaker 2:And it's really it's just so jarring in the film that you just have to laugh like it's yeah funny sex scene and it's not meant to be, but it is hilarious and I think the reason the graphic novel is not as cringy is because we've seen how funny they are. Like during that whole scene where, uh, just in that scene where she's trying to get people out of the fire of the burning building, this one lady's like, what are you even wearing? And she's like, man, do you want to be saved or not? Like that's the kind of attitude that Sir Inspector has, which I wish was more in the movie. So, because we've seen them be funny, them having sex and accidentally hitting the button is still funny and I think the movie just kind of totally missed the mark. And hallelujah, just wrong, wrong.
Speaker 1:They took it way too seriously.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and yeah, that's. I think that's what it is. They took it seriously. When it's supposed to be natural, it's just supposed to be a very natural scene that happens, yeah, with very natural mistakes of accidentally hitting the button.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I want to know what you thought about, um, just like the, the art style of the graphic novel. It fits very well, like the whole gritty and everything, um. But there there was definitely some moments in which, like lori, um, and then the original night owl, hollis mason, there's. There's moments in which, like in in um, hollis mason's autobiography, and then there's a flashback with lori in which they're like I'm only 13 years old, but then you look at like the drawing of them and they look like they're in their 20s yeah, which I mean I, I, I don't know what.
Speaker 2:Where's the because? In the graphic novel, yes, I agree they look a lot older than what they're being described, but then again the movie kept the same actors, like in the movie. I never got that the comedian started being a superhero at 17. Because they use the same actor.
Speaker 1:So yeah, oh, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:And in the graphic novel it lets you know he's 17 and he does look younger. His costume's completely different. Yeah, I mean, I guess it doesn't bother me as much, because you can only do so much with graphic novels, with the comic books, I know, especially because I feel like this was still a pen and paper kind of yeah, graphic novel. Um, but it is pretty funny.
Speaker 1:I, since we're on that subject, one of the things I also like the movie didn't kind of fix is that dr manhattan approaches laurie when she's 16 yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, that was icky, especially because he's very well aware that she's a teenager yeah, and it's not just that, like he knows that she's a teenager and so there's that, but then he's so much older than her, which is the the other thing, so she, like she's 16 when he starts pursuing her. He's I mean, he's like in his 40s or 50s, technically right, and then, but he's like this all knowing being so, I feel like that just adds like a thousand years to his age. So yeah, so yeah. That that was really like in the graphic novel. In the film they just say when his ex-girlfriend just says like oh, you're leaving me for this younger girl, but she could easily be like in her early 20s.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then when I was reading the graphic novel and I was like she's 16. And you're like you're basically like this god figure, which is why I'm saying it feels like that adds like a thousand years to his age. So it's like you're this, like all-knowing being who's gonna live forever. So you're as old as dirt at this point and you're still pursuing this like little girl. Is there really no other women you can pursue?
Speaker 2:yeah, and like in the movie, um, the ex-girlfriend makes, makes a excellent, like, like you said, she makes the line of you're leaving me for someone younger. Okay, kind of makes that's gross, but okay. Uh, in the comic book it's like that's gross, but okay. In the comic she straight up calls him Jailbait, like you're leaving me for Jailbait. And in the movie his response is yes, she was right. And it's the same response in the graphic novel and it's like, okay, one is grosser than the other.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely, that's just wrong. That's very, very wrong. Yeah, that really did bug me as well reading it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I feel like I would have been grossed out no matter when I read this. But actually no, because even when I read it when, when we first started dating I I was probably like grossed out. But yeah, now I'm definitely like, oh yeah, bro, no, like I can't be on your side knowing that you did this yeah, no, and like you say, he's an all-knowing god figure and you should know better, definitely yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1:so, um, our time here is running a little short. Is there anything? Because I I knowing that I don't really understand graphic novels, I I was like I'm not going to take any notes, I'm just going to read it and what I understand is what I'm going to bring into this episode. And, like, I was looking at your notes and it's like a ton. So I'm sure you have a lot to say. Is there anything you want to add? Before we talk about what, which one we think is the winner?
Speaker 2:um, I, you know, I do feel like we can. We can't finish. There's a lot of notes, but I feel like we can't finish the episode without addressing the sa scene with comedian assaulting specter, and there is just so many things handled. Alan Moore is terrible at writing women. He always gives them the worst possible scenario to happen. So get that out of the way, because he doesn't. He gives the worst experiences to the, the, the women characters in his graphic novels.
Speaker 2:But there was a lot of lines that kind of really bothered me. For example, when the scene is happening, the one who comes to the rescue is who the justice. But after rescuing her could adjust this pretty much blames it on her. He says well, next time don't wear something that skimpy. And also we end up finding out that she ends up actually sleeping with the comedian because she falls in love with him, which is very weird to me. I feel as gross as it was in the movie, it's grosser in the graphic novel. Like in the graphic novel, the last panel we see of the original Silk Spectre is you know, gloria explains that they have to go into hiding, but they wanted to see her. Blah, blah, blah. They leave. She still looks at the comedian's picture and kisses it and leaves like a lipstick mark on him and it's like that is still so handled, not well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like no, yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And I know the movie had to continue that storyline because how else is Laurie going to exist without comedian and Silk Spectre actually sleeping together?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But surprisingly that's one thing that the movie did handle better. It's still icky, but not nearly as icky as it is in the graphic novel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah, icky, but not nearly as icky as it is in the graphic novel. Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah, um, is there anything else you're gonna say?
Speaker 2:no, I mean, like I said, I have so many notes, but then that would be like a three-hour episode. I don't think we want that.
Speaker 1:Well, that being said, I want to ask you who wins. Is it the book or the movie?
Speaker 2:Well, despite all the ickiness, rereading this again has to go to the book. There's just so much detail, so much detail, so much personality, so much more necessary items that I felt the book was better.
Speaker 1:I have to agree. My vote also goes for the book in this case because, as much as I struggled because as much as I struggled with it, I understood the plot a lot better of the graphic novel than I did of the film, and I understood everyone's character motivations a lot better, like the scene where, after Ozymandias reveals that he's the one behind everything because he's trying to bring about world peace, yeah.
Speaker 1:And Rorschach leaves. I didn't really understand why Dr Manhattan killed him, but in the graphic novel I understood it a lot better. That being said, I do wish that they had kept the moment in which the news reporter discovers, or is about to discover, rorschach's journal, because they cut that out in the film and I they leave it as a cliffhanger. I missed it, then there you go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is again like what you're saying. It's a lot clearer, and in the graphic novel you see him go to the pile of scraps, while the only instance you get in the movie is the package sliding into their mailbox.
Speaker 1:Oh see, Okay, yeah, there you go Um, yeah. So that um oh, we have less than a minute, so I was going to close it off, but what were you going to say?
Speaker 2:We have to close it.
Speaker 1:Uh, so the graphic novel is the winner in this case. Tune in next time, for it Ends With Us bye.